Friday, August 17, 2007

Tax Bottled Water

This is probably a good idea, and I hope it catches on. We tax cigarettes heavily because it is non-smokers who end up footing the bill when smokers head to the hospital, and because cigarettes harm the people around the smokers as well.

The same is true of bottled water. Those who choose to drink endless bottles of water are greedily consuming their fellow citizens oil supply (because the plastics take oil and also because companies ship these bottles of water all over the country). Moreover, they are contributing to the production of billions of plastics bottles that will essentially last forever and pollute our already over-polluted planet.

So, as long as we're going to tax someone, lets tax the a-holes.

The topic of bottled water is a favorite of mine. There's nothing wrong with tap water people - you have been tricked by PepsiCo yet again.


CapitolMAN said...

While you're adding new taxes please be sure to put a fat tax on carbonated beverages. Think of the health risks!

Can't I just exercise my natural right of choice without being penalized financially by do-goodnicks?

Why do you hate freedom so much, Mr. Hive?

Steve said...

He hates freedom because like most liberal thinkers, freedom denies him power over human behavior, which is what most liberals believe governments role is in our society..and tax money is needed to run everyone's lives..

The Great Hive said...

Oh the irony. I hate freedom?

I hate freedom to hurt others and destroy the environment. You conservatives seem to hate freedom to do with my body as I wish, the freedom to express myself, and the freedom to operate without government surveillance.

Please chime in on these issues Steve-O:

Should a woman be allowed to abort an unwanted pregnancy?

Should a gay married couple get the same benefits as a straight couple?

Should a gay couple be allowed to adopt?

Should an American citizen be protected by the courts when the government is seeking to wiretap them? Have the right of habeas corpus?

Should I be allowed to consume any drugs I want?

I'm pretty sure capitol man meant "you hate freedom" with a sense of irony, but you seemed to have missed that subtlety. You are ignorant to say someone "hates freedom."

You hate freedom as much as the next person, and you pick and choose like the rest of us. Unfortunately, when you choose, you listen to the pundits on Fox News.

In the congressional elections and in the upcoming presidential elections, the American people have and will reject your "freedoms" and embrace mine.

CapitolMAN said...

So if you tax bottled water, Mr. Hive people will drink tap water instead? I think consumers will quaff something else that's cold and refreshing like Coca-Cola. At the very least the bottled-water craze, which has been ongoing since 1998 has improved the nutrition of Americans. Instead of spending money on sugar-infused beverages they've chosen a healthier alternative.
I think it's an overreach of government to regulate personal behavior whether we're talking about sexuality or bottled water.

The Great Hive said...

Unsubstantiated nonsense:

"At the very least the bottled-water craze, which has been ongoing since 1998 has improved the nutrition of Americans."

And you're right, let's tax anything in a plastic bottle instead.

Would you like to repeal all the cigarette taxes, which have in fact had a positive effect on public health?

CapitolMAN said...

I wasn't aware that bottled water caused lung cancer.

The Great Hive said...

I wasn't aware that we had an unlimited supply of oil.

CapitolMAN said...

I wasn't aware that bottled water consumption contributed more significantly to rising oil costs than eastern hemisphere industrialization.

Lester said...

Retard fight!!

Steve said...

Hive I hardly believe that bottled water consumption is "destroying the environment", although it was a nuisance to step on all those empty containers on my way to the office this morning...

I also didn't realize that gay marriage, adoption, wiretapping, etc etc had anything to do with over-use of government... oh wait.. why yes it does!

Subtle or not, its clear that you want government to right all the supposed "injustices" of the world. Big government itself is an injustice.

The Great Hive said...

How is less regulation of marriage, less regulation of adoption, and less of an ability to wiretap big government? These are all returning the power of government to the people. Your Chewbacca defense won't work here.

And there are very good arguments that bottled water is destroying the environment - by creating unneeded plastics, but more substantially by paying to transport bottled water huge distances, when it can be had locally. Start with Wikipedia and dig deeper:

"The Pacific Institute calculates that the process of making the plastic for the water bottles consumed in the U.S. uses approximately 17 million barrels of oil per year. The manufacture of every ton of PET produces around 3 tons of carbon dioxide (CO2). Bottling water thus created more than 2.5 million tons of CO2 in 2006. [7] This corresponds to about 0.1% of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.

Once the bottle is created and filled with water, large amounts of fossil fuel are expended delivering the water from its source to end user by means of ground transportation. Some bottled water is transported long distances by ship in addition to the distances it travels by truck or rail. It takes a fair amount of oil to move a plastic bottle from where it is made, to where it is filled, then to the store, and finally into the consumer's hand. 250g (0.00025 tons) of CO2 are released for each bottle of FIJI Water imported to the United States. This includes 93g for manufacturing a bottle in China, 4g for tranporting an empty bottle to Fiji, and 153g for shipping a full bottle to the United States. [8]

Overall, the average energy cost to make the plastic, fill the bottle, transport it to market and then deal with the waste would be "like filling up a quarter of every bottle with oil." (Peter Gleick, an expert on water policy and director at the Pacific Institute in Oakland, California.[9]"

"Solid waste generation

Though the materials used for water bottles are generally recyclable, 90% of bottles are not recycled. [7]"

And much much more...

Steve said...

..cause you can trust Wikipedia!!!

The Great Hive said...

Good rebuttal.

Trust wikipedia or not, you can click through to links you can trust.

Choose your own adventure on teh internets.

Steve said...

Yes the internet is the greatest thing ever invented, because somewhere on it you can find all the proof you need to make your point.

CapitolMAN said...

Bottled water contributes one-tenth of one percent of CO2 emissions. That's a battle worth fighting. How 'bout industrialization in Asia?

Where are your priorities?

Steve said...

Asian countries share many of his same ideologies.. it'd be like snitching on your friend for Hive to attack them! It also makes the USA look good cause finally we aren't the worst of something..

I expect the "you are a troll" reply.

The Great Hive said...

Every American can make an easy choice to drink tap water, which is totally equivalent to Aquafina and Dasani. They can buy a reusable container to fill up. They cannot shut down factories in Asia.

By your reasoning, we should stop recycling the bottles we drink from because "it's not that big a deal." Are you saying we shouldn't recycle and/or we shouldn't encourage people to recycle? That's where your logic leads me.

I may need my car to go to work, but I don't need a bottle of water. The cars are the bigger problem, but as I pointed out in my blog post, there's a good argument that people need cars. People do not need 8 bottles of water everyday.

Steve said...

You assume that everyone buys 8 separate bottles of water per day? While I don't have any evidence that shows me how many different bottles of water are used by a person in a day, a week, a month- I hardly find it to be an average that is out of control.

Your logic confounds me- we need a car to get to work? If you were so serious about taking care of the environment why don't you take public transit? Attacking something that has virtually no impact on the environment like bottled water seems like a crappy way to triumph your cause- especially when cars are the so-called "problem".

The Great Hive said...

First off, go look up hyperbole with regards to "8 bottles of water."

Second, I am merely pointing out that there are arguments in favor of driving a car, though I agree we should do everything we can to reverse our destructive environmental stance, including recycling, driving less, and not drinking bottled water.

Third, I also do my bit not to pollute with cars. I own a bike and I telecommute, and my girlfriend takes us camping in her Prius.